Trying makes it worse

[tonys]

You don't need to justify,    @EternalFlower    You are a customer.   I have known you long enough to know you are thoughtful and never abusive.     I wish you could take or have someone with you

when you talk to people.

I know its a bit   "out of order" but if I'm Talking to a new person and my gut feels strange,  I always tell them first. . .  I am recording for coaching and quality purposes.   and if they are putting questions to me,

I ask for them in writing, and tell them,   "i'll get back to you.   

Its amazing the attitude adjustment when folks think there on the record.   OH,  and Always ask for and keep the receipt number  for your phone calls. 

Damn..    Rn with    Meds trolly,     squeaky wheel.   First thing I'm gunna fix when I can walk.  Gnite  mate.   tonys

[Appleblossom]

God I love your sense of humour @tonys 

... can I steal ... your line "  I am recording for coaching and quality purposes."  for my own purposes ...lol

Yep very cross about the distribution of guns and tazers .... worse than gunsNroses ... and no music ...

Glad you liked the talk.  It seems a summary of a lot of the best in mental health or human development movements over the globe ... A lot I have come across before ... but he was a lovely guy.

Sad to hear you are still enduring hospital torments ... you are one tuff smart guy to be able to toss off all those metaphors ....hope it it is worth it.

@EternalFlower 

Our hearts and minds inhabit our bodies and we do have to listen to them ... yes bend a bit to do the civil thing ... but not to breaking point.  Tbh I had a few disappointing experiences with that organisation ... just on a money grubbing mission ... ooops ... IMHO... not caring really ... a few too many ethical blips to ever want to suggest them as an option to my son ....  at first I thought they offered some hope ... maybe there is some point in following the money .... but it should not always be the bottom line ... just one aspect of legitimate organisation and human life on earth ... so glad I have a mind with which to escape at times ....

Take care of yourselves .... @EternalFlower @tonys @Oaktree @Shaz51 @tyme 

[tonys]

Thankyou @Appleblossom  >  hows your day been.   Yes I think the sense of humour is an undervalued MH tool, and folks have to have one at times to endure the likes of me...  Help yourself the the phone tactics.  As you know,   I unashamedly  stole them myself.  I actually do miss the spam, sales men, and junk mail   calls.  I used to fake a woman's voice and tell them My husband would be really interested, but I'll have to run out in the paddock and get him..   then just lay the phone down and leave em waiting..

I'm sure I am on the "don't call that idiot"  list,   because I have not had a sales person or scam call for years.

So.   later tonight I will watch the rest of the QaA part of that link. You've no Idea how much I enjoyed that fellow.

I reckon Stuff would love it too.   He's a serious thinker that one. 

Be back later tonight.  Have a lovely evening Appleblossom.

[EternalFlower]

Hi @@Appleblossom 

Since i am not currently using any of these services i think its ok if i reflect on some that have been avg, bad and even great....

Vmiac was the best

Mind completely seemed good at the beginning but became nasty....like victim blaming and scary.

I felt pretty powerless. They told me since im on the ndis they technically couldnt support me but then took me on and said they dont like to shove people out and they've had people theyve supported for months while they get settled into ndis and that rhey bend the rule sometimes to  prevent abrupt, traumatic endings.

So far so good.

Then, the worker i work with doesn't show up and is on leave a lot. I say i may discharge myself as its not been helpful.

Change of tone. We know ur on the ndis so we have a rule that only 8 weeks support. We need to tell you this to manage expectations.

My status with the ndis has not changed since i started. Where did they get 8 weeks from?why straight after i spoke about regular absences?

Not ok.

[EternalFlower]

It is a nice thing @tonys that man has a certain calm that u can feel straight away. Thank u agai  @Appleblossom for sharing

[tonys]

thankyou  @EternalFlower ,   For you  ,  anything n everything my friend                          tonys..

[tyme]

Sounds difficult @EternalFlower .

Do you think with these services, it depends on who you get?

[Appleblossom]

My experiences with VMIAC have been fine. @EternalFlower 

I do believe it is normal and human and important to want to reflect on and digest our experiences.  Its a problem if that is not allowed...

5 years ago I got MIND newsletters ... looked good ... a fella phoned me out the blue about being on their database then offered me regular check ins  ... I said good on him ... he was doing his job ...we developed a plan ... of using instruments they already had ... and running a group ... irl ... in a real location ... cos thats where instruments were stored and seemed silly to waste them .... went to an appointment to check them out  ... but he had been sacked and nobody ahd contacted me ...to cancel ... then went to chrissie do ... which was all very well .... but there were strangely aggressive ... people taking control .. deciding what mattered .... everyone was going to do craft and cardmaking ... it did not look good to me ... I just thought 'wot a lot of bossy boots' ... I then ran into them again ... at a PARC where they were supposed to make a phone call ... but did not ... deals were done ... and were doing higher level ... new contract stuff ... woopee  wooopee doooo ... do you think I was impressed ... nup.

... sorry you got the run around too. Do not think they have a good culture.

[EternalFlower]

Hi @tyme absolutely it is who you get and ive used a phoneline at mind that was quite good..

It is confusing sometimes if they kinda...hate us? Thats how i felt 

They said they would allocate me a new worker because the first one didnt show up but i got this bad feeling like feeling unwanted and blamed. They listened but subtle blaming

"You know u could call her as well!" ( I did, twice)

"You need to understand our restraints"

"She told you when she wasnt coming" (she didnt, she told me a week after).

I feel like i have to accept scraps or i am given more diagnoses and judgements, and they gor a sense i was bot happy so started blaming me. This means that it is a coded message that i need to never be assertive or give feedback or ask for more

[tyme]

Makes sense @EternalFlower .

And in the meantime, you miss out 😞

I'm glad you have us though!